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Here's something to contemplate about AJ's identity.
The Padgett Messages refer to the soul as being the "person". i.e. the physical body and the spirit body don't seem to be considered the "person".
So AJ can be saying he is Jesus and he is referring to the soul. Whereas the physical body and the spirit body are perhaps appropriately called AJ Miller as they didn't originate in the first century.
AJ has also said that his connection with his soul is rather weak and this would be the case for all of the fourteen. This will be why most of the fourteen can quite happily believe they are not who AJ says they are.

So it is not necessarily a black or white thing, believing AJ is Jesus or believing he is not. One also could consider how much of what we experience of AJesus is from the mind of AJ in the spirit body or whether it comes from the soul of Jesus.

Of course most people on the planet want to believe that no part of AJ is Jesus. Some of us want to believe that all of AJ is Jesus. What i am saying is that there is a third possibility and this may be why celestial spirits have at times referred to him as AJesus.

Pierre, Considering Johan hasn't yet created a new heading and i don't want to start a thread on it myself, i will continue here.

I don't particularly want to talk about any doubts i may have about AJ's identity here as i don't want to turn people off what he has to say, and i feel there is loads of valuable truth in what AJ says. However i will say that in the seven years i have known AJ that people have come and gone. Some that have gone have known AJ quite well.

However why people leave is really their own personal stuff. Sure some may leave because they genuinely reach a feeling that AJ is not Jesus. However it is very difficult to be sure, as i know that many leave because they reach a point in their path where they hit stuff they subconsciously don't want to deal with within themselves. They then create a rationalization as to why AJ is not Jesus to justify their not dealing with it.

If people feel it is important that AJ be Jesus in order for what he says to be worth listening to and experimenting with that is their problem.

Hi Victoria
 I wasn't saying anything other than you left out one possibility from your three possibilities about AJ:
1, he is mad
2, he is bad
3, he is who he says he is.

All i was saying is you also need one that is

4, He is has some self delusion about himself (we all have this)

Anyone that knows AJ personally will know that he is the opposite of mad or bad and that is easily proven in a concrete fashion, so those are easily ruled out. However the point i mentioned is not so obviously ruled out by everyone, it is more of a personal feeling we may have about him. For me it is about his teachings, and they are the most wonderful stuff i have ever encountered.

Hi Victoria, of your three options about AJ, to be complete you need to add one more. i.e. He is in some sort of self deception with himself. I have come to see we are all in loads of self deception, and don't want to see the real truth about ourselves. I have seen AJ in self deception in the past. When I first met him seven years ago he was saying how he was on the way to becoming breathanarian. That didn't happen. So he is still like us and capable of self deception. That doesn't mean he's not the best spiritual teacher, the most insightful, astute, spiritually advanced and the most loving person i have ever met, because he is. He's just not perfect. He makes mistakes.

If what he teaches ever becomes as well accepted as Christianity, the world will be a much better place. Just like Jesus in the first century offered the opportunity for individuals and the world to grow in love, so AJ offers that now.

I spent 30 years doing the Transcendental Meditation Sidhi meditation techniques for about two hours a day. Then seven years ago I met AJ. I liked what he had to say and told him i didn't know whether he was Jesus or not but for me the message is more important than the messenger. He agreed. I still feel that way.

I bought a property just down the road from AJ's and was one of the initial creators of the 600 acre property that was initially called The Sanctuary but is now called The Learning Center, Cushnie.

I feel i went through a honeymoon phase with the Divine Love path and that perhaps most people do. Eventually I began to see my true self and it wasn't in nearly as good a condition as I had wanted to believe and was making very much less progress than I had thought. The human mind has such an incredible capacity for self deception. I have addictions that I don't seem to have the genuine desire to challenge any more than superficially. The majority of my biggest soul injuries are still there in their fullness.

It seems like when we start on this path we make progress, but only on the easy stuff, the stuff we are willing to address. Eventually we hit the stuff that we really don't want to see or address or even admit exists within ourselves. This is where i find myself now.

I remember AJ saying quite some time ago that he has already told us all we need to know. He has also personally told me loads about myself over the years, most of which I am still trying to address. So i have backed off from listening to AJ and am focussing more on my own inner guidance that is from guides that have been where i am (unlike AJ) and have progressed through it.

These days the trouble I have with listening to AJ (or anyone) is that he talks in words that must be taken in through the intellect. The intellect seems such a limited way of making spiritual progress. My guides on the other hand are with me all the time and can give me guidance on experiential levels without words.  Often my guides make me aware of what i am really doing, as opposed to what i think or want to believe I am doing. So my journey has become more personal.